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THE KINROSS INCIDENT PART 3 GORD HEATH'S MEMORIES

This truly is a mystery within a mystery.  How can a man have so many memories (some of which can be confirmed and some can't) about someone elses life?  A life that existed over 50 years ago.  In this show we cover a couple of main events in Gord Heath's life that led him to believe he could be Eugene Moncla, the pilot who disappeared in the Kinross Incident on Novemeber 23rd 1953.  At the end of this you will probably come to one of four conclusions, 1) this is all made up or imagination, 2) Gord is psychic, 3) Gord was implanted with memories of Gene Moncla, or  4) that Gord Heath was Eugene Moncla!  I look at this picture and I see a man who is proud of himself and confident.  I see a man with a great future.  It's funny how quickly things can change and how most of us don't know our destiny, or do we? While part of me remains skeptical, as it does with Gord himself, part of me during this interview was thinking what if?  When that thought hit me I felt great sadness, sadness for the two men who never got to see their families again.  This happens everyday in the military, maybe I just don't stop to think about it or know the personal details.  And if these men were taken by other beings, what choices did they have?  What were those moments like when they realized they would never see their families again?  Well, maybe there was another option.  Gord gives a play by play account of his memory regarding the intercept and the abduction.  It's almost like we're back in that moment on November 23rd 1953. In this show you'll hear how Eugene came back into Gord's body and even tried to go visit his family.  In 2001 Gord took a trip to Wisconsin and upper Michigan and many memories came pouring back.  In 2002 Gord connected with Eugene Moncla's family for the first time.  Some thoughts that pass through my mind.  One, I've never heard of this kind of story before.  I've always had a thought that some of the civilian population as well as military were being taken and they weren't returning.  Why?  From my own personal beliefs I think everything happens for a reason and everything is planned out before we get here.  We have the ability to change the plan when we're here but there's always something to learn.  So there could be many reasons as to why this could be happening.  A close (former Airforce military) friend suggested that there is a bit of training going on with an alien race and there could be a time when they make contact and these abductees will be leaders or liaisons.  Interesing, could be.  Are they hurting our people?  I don't think this race is.  Why do I think that?  My own experiences with one of these beings and the fact that I don't know what others had planned before they came here.   If any of this is true, the following questions remain:  Why was Eugene Moncla allowed to return?  And why did he have to return as someone else?  Perhaps Gord supplies some of those answers in this show.  Regardless of whether you believe this to be true or not, it is nice to remember two men who were willing to give up their lives for what they believed in.  Time has forgotten them, perhaps their true story has been covered up as well.  How many others have gone this route? For more on Gord Heath go to his website and read many other memories and odd coincidences in the MY STORY section.   http://www.ufobc.ca/kinross/   Below is a you tube interview with a woman from New Zealand who has had a similar experience as Gord Heath.   Gord wrote me: I thought after recording the three podcasts with me talking about possible past life abduction and reincarnation by aliens, you would surely be interested in this recent video interview posted to YouTube.   It describes a woman who remembers meeting her future son as a "free soul" in a ball like form of energy when she was only eight years old.   One thing it makes me wonder, she implies that the soul can be taken independently of the body by the aliens as part of the "soul education" experience. Does this mean that the soul she met, may have actually had a physical being, living elsewhere when she met the soul on board the craft? Very, very weird. She indicates her son has no conscious memory of his experience, but that he is supposed to recover those memories later in his life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgAi4A2Twzw

THE KINROSS INCIDENT PART 2: GORD HEATH'S STORY

Did Eugene Moncla's and Robert Wilson's jet meet with a ufo on November 23rd 1953?  If so what happened to the pilot and his radar operator?  No one knows.  Or does someone actually know?  How can Gord Heath have so many memories of Eugene Moncla?  How can he have memories of meeting Robert Wilson?  Were these memories implanted by an advanced race?  Is it a psychic transferrence?  Is it all just imagination?  Or is there another answer? If we are to believe there is other life in the universe that travels to our planet then it makes sense that their technology is much more advanced than ours.  If you look at similarities reported by abductees you will find the following: The ability to put a thought into our head so that we either see or don't see them, the ability to affect our memories, the ability to paralize us with a single thought.  Many have reported getting pregnant from these beings, then losing the child after the first trimester, and then some have been shown the crossbred child at a different date.  Sound crazy?  Well many all over the world have been talking about these stories for many years.  Those of us who've had experience with these beings know it to be true. Imagine if these two lives were not lost on that fatefull day November 23rd 1953.  What if they were taken on board a ufo?  What happened to them after that?  What if one chose to stay and the other wanted to return to the planet?  Do you think that he could just step back into society?  Do you think he would be put under the microscope?  In this show we discuss 3 very unusual memories that Gord Heath has regarding Eugene Moncla and Robert Wilson.  How did they get there?  Gord doesn't know and it took years for some of these memories to come forward, usually they were triggered by old photographs or conversations.  Has that ever happened to you?  It certainly happens to me all the time.  This show is a bit longer than normal, just so you know, and we will have a part 3 coming next week because there is so much to relay. Remember Close Encounters Of The Third Kind?  Some of you may already be picking up on this.  Remember at the end of the movie when the crew of Flight 19 walked out of the alien spaceship?  I have heard from more than one person that the government is trying to tell us what's going on in certain movies.  Is it possible our government has had an agreement with an alien race that allows some of our people to be taken?  Now why would they do that?  Good question. Want to learn more before next weeks show?  Gord's site:  http://www.ufobc.ca/kinross/

THE KINROSS INCIDENT PART ONE

At left is a picture of a pilot who mysteriously disappeared in 1953 after his F89 left Kinross Airforce Base near Sault Ste. Marie Michigan in pursuit of an unknown craft.  His name was Felix Eugene Moncla Jr.  Gene Moncla along with his radar operator Robert Wilson vanished without a trace.  It was reported on radar that the F89  merged with another craft on the radar.  Many explantions were given, none stuck. The incident would have faded away into history had it not been for a few people, one being Major Keyhoe, a well known ufo investigator in his time.  Below is one account of Keyhoe's investigation: In 1958 Keyhoe got hold of a leaked Air Force document that made it clear that officialdom considered the Kinross incident a UFO encounter of the strangest kind. The document quoted these words from a radar observer who had been there: "It seems incredible, but the blip apparently just swallowed our F-89." The following year, in conversations with civilian ufologists Tom Comella and Edgar Smith, M. Sgt. O. D. Hill of Project Blue Book confided that such incidents -- he claimed Kinross had not been the only one -- had officials worried. Many, he said, believed UFOs to be of extraterrestrial origin and wanted to prevent an interplanetary Pearl Harbor. Cornelia subsequently confronted Hill's superior, Capt. George T. Gregory, at Blue Book headquarters. Gregory looked shocked, left the room for a short period, and returned to state, "Well, we just cannot talk about those cases." Imagine how sad it must have been to for the families to never know what became of these two men.   At left is a man by the name of Gord Heath.  Gord lives just outside of Vancouver in Brittish Columbia Canada.  Gord has taken quite an interest in the Kinross incident.  He has studied the so called facts, even talked to family members and to the pilot of a Royal Canadian aircraft that was supposed to be what Moncla's jet intercepted on November 23rd 1953.  I always wonder what drives some people to be so involved in events they weren't even alive for.  I also believe that if we dig deep enough we will usually find the truth, and in this case the truth is mind numbing.  This weeks show is just about the disappearance of the F89 and the facts surrounding the case.  Next week's show may blow you away and will have answers as to what may have happened to the F89, Gene Moncla, and Robert Wilson and how Gord Heath is connected to all of this.

LESSONS FROM THE SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKS

I don't know about you but my life has really been pretty pleasant, at least my adult life.  I really haven't had many problems, it's been stable.  I can't say that for my guest this week.  Dan Dunlop has walked a difficult journey, many in his family have.  Dan has made it out to the other side and turned his life around.  A few years back that may have not been the case, but he is clean and sober now and not afraid to talk about it. But it's really more than that, this is not just about Dan's sobriety.  It's about his spiritual journey.  Dan has seen the darkness, and while I don't talk a lot about that topic on this show, I feel the need to delve into it a bit this time.  A recent tragic event happened on a national level not far from here and it's pretty hard to ignore.  Why did this have to happen?  No one knows for sure, but as you step back perhaps you see a bigger picture as to what may be going on all over.  Dan has witnessed some very strange things in the spirit world, he senses and sees things (I believe) that others do not see.  He has been accurate on his visions.  This show is not meant to put fear into anyone, rather just the opposite.  By knowing the truth you can become empowered.  The hard part is knowing who's speaking it.

MESSAGES FROM THE OTHER SIDE

There are some who claim they can receive messages from those who have passed over.  Are they for real, or are they fakes?  Are some of these intuitives better than others?  Does experience and repetition play into it? Well, I think experience and repetition plays into it.  And I think there are those who are not being truthful.  My guest this week is Maggie Wanner, Maggie claims to have had this ability to see things since she was a young child.  Back then she was discouraged to speak about what she was seeing.  It took many many years for Maggie to come forward with her abilities because of fear.  Only in the last few years has she started to talk about her abilities and how they may help others.  This week I put Maggie to the test with a reading for me and a second reading for a co-worker.  How did she do?  Did she tell us things that made sense?  Somewhat.  Some of it didn't make sense.  And some of it blew me away.  Now, this is very personal information to me, but I don't mind sharing it.  Does Maggie have the ability to help others communicate with loved ones who've died?  Ten years ago I would have said no, but due to my experience with these types of readings, I'm thinking she does have the ability.  I learned that the message is not always as clear as we'd like it to be, due in part to the intuitive's translation and in part to the spirit who's sending the message.  You can judge for yourself.  One thing I will note is that Maggie is connected to a group of people out of Northern Lower Michigan who I do trust and have not steered me wrong before.

REMEMBERING PAST LIVES

In 1983 I took a radio job in Vicksburgh Mississippi and stayed there for 2 years.  Let me say this, I missed home.  Michigan, to be exact.  A friend of mine kept wanting to show me the Civil War park that exists in Vicksburgh, I had no interest, I'd rather drink beer. About 5 years ago I started getting a really strong feeling that I lived during the time of the Civil War.  Maybe 2 years ago I started to think that is was somewhere in the south.  Also 5 years ago I started to think that I had lived as a native American but it was somewhere back in the 1700's.  I don't know how I knew but I just knew.  I've pretty much always believed in reincarnation, I don't know why, it just rang true to me.  A couple of months ago I heard about a woman who lives in Detroit and claims to have this ability since she was a child to pick up on someone's past lives.  Now does this all seem crazy to you?  Maybe it is.  I am only relaying what I feel deep inside without concern what others would think.  I truly don't care, there was a time when I wouldn't have said or done what I'm doing now, I was too afraid and wanted to fit in.  Anyway, I talked to Theresa Grigsby and a few things fell in place, or at least they seemed to.  Have you ever felt you were drawn to a certain time period?  Is there possibly a reason beyond what you think it may be? The case for reincarnation:  We come back again and again in order to learn.  What do we learn?  To me there is only one answer.  Love.  How many of you believe this body we are in is not our true state?  If not, then what is?  Does this explain why people are so drawn to certain things, like those that reinact civil war battles.  Charging for service.  My guest charges $30 for a 30 minute reading, she doesn't get rich doing so.  She holds down a regular full time job.  Now some will be quick to point out that that she is a phony, how can you make that judgement so quickly?  There is a really interesting story that I would consider validation from someone I know who has dealt with Theresa, she works right here in our building.   Right or wrong, Theresa strikes me as being passionate in her beliefs. To contact Theresa:  theresagrigsby@sbcglobal.com

THE UNDERLYING TRUTH

Have you ever watched a movie or read a book and felt the director or author were trying to tell you something more than what appeared on the surface?  My guest this week considers himself a history buff who has had some paranormal experiences that have influenced his writing.  His name is Gerald J Kubicki, he grew up in Long Island in a house that had ghost activity.  It was witnessed by the whole family.  Gerald also has a great interest in World War 2 and, like myself, believes that history can repeat itself if we do not heed the warning signs.  So while this is a fictional book mixed with some fact, what is Gerald trying to accomplish?  I think he is trying to get a message out and sometimes no one listens if you come out and just tell them, sometimes you have to lead the horse to water but the decision on taking a drink still lies with the horse.  Maybe the horse will look in the water and see his reflection and realize that there is more going on here than just quenching it's thirst.  Huh?  Gerald now calls Las Vegas his home.  He strikes me as someone who is passionate about history and giving credit where credit is due.  He also is a first hand witness to the paranormal and it made him a believer.  Please welcome Gerald Kubicki this week.  www.geraldjkubickibooks.com

VETERANS DAY

I'm guessing most countries in the world have a day they set aside to honor those who were willing defend their nations beliefs.  So on this show I honor all of you regardless of where you live.  But, since I live in America obviously I am going to be talking mostly about American Vets.  Now, this is not a blanket statement.  I'm sure there are and were some Vets who were not very good individuals, I don't honor those.  The people I talk about in this show are just average folks who are pretty amazing in my eyes.  My son Ryan served in Kuwait and Iraq and came under some fire a couple of times.  It's what he didn't do that inspires me.  If you hate Americans, perhaps you should listen to the story.  Aren't we all connected?  One thing I didn't mention which I wanted to was that my son loved the people of southern Iraq.  They were really appreciative and became friends with the American soldiers.  To me it proves that most of us are all the same on the inside, if we could just realize it perhaps there would be no more wars.  My friend Mike served in Vietnam and was exposed to Agent Orange, life has not been so good for him, his story needs to be told. Finally, like in almost all of my shows, I find a way to fit some paranormal into the show.  A pretty good friend told me some things that are officially off the record, but since I'm not using his name or location I feel I can share some of it. Also, I almost forgot, after I close the show I talk about something really remarkable that happened to me in the last week of October regarding my mother who's been gone since 1997.  It was truly uplifting.  So it was added at the end if you want to hear it.  Thanks to all veterans, but also to all who help others and give unselfishly.  Today you are not taken for granted.

FORGOTTEN PAST

 There was a time when newspapers reported everything that went on, I mean everything.  Some of these stories were quite simple, like a gathering for a picnic.  Some were more complex, some were downright bizare!  What was cool was that nothing was left out, imagine if we did that today.  I know, most of you wouldn't want to read about it.  But, what about all of the unusual events that go unpublished, mainly because today we are leary of speaking our truth.  Also, the publishing business has changed (like other forms of media) to promote more negative or attention getting stories.  It also (in my opinion) seems that newspapters and all media refuse to report on something that doesn't fit into the norm.  What changed in our country?   When did it change?  Lisa Shiel has been on my show several times and you can go back and listen to some of the shows we did, usually they were about ufo's and a bigfoot connection.  Huh?  Yeah, a little strange, but Lisa dug up some reports from eyewitnesses and took a scientific look at the possibility of these things existing.  In this book she totally went back and looked at newspapers from the late 1800's into the early part of the 20th century.   Events that happened roughly a century ago.  This book is a collection of very short stories.  One, this is a good example of how life was back then.  Two, you will find some unusual accounts that may support some of what would be considered paranormal, or unknown.  In one of my earlier shows I joked about seeing this when I was kayaking down the Autrain river, which connects to Autrain Lake and Lake Superior.  Maybe I didn't realize how close I was to the truth!  What?  In Lisa's book there are tales of these kinds of sea creatures being seen in the great lakes, and even one in Autrain Lake.  Really?  Not just one report, but several.  Gulp!  But where are they now?  I don't know, but it does seem possible.  Also there is a really strange story about shapeshifting.  Shapeshifting?  It was believed by some back then that people could shapeshift into an animal and many times it wasn't used for the greater good.  I remember reading out of book years ago about a man riding home one night back in the 1700's, or 1800's, and encountering a cat that attacked him.  It scratched him and his horse quite severly before he was able to beat it off with his riding whip.  He had to beat the animal pretty intensely in order to get it to leave him alone.  The story went that they found an old woman half beaten the next day and believed her to be a shapeshifter that had transformed into the cat.  Strange?  Yes.  A similar story is told in Lisa's book.  Some of the stories involve ghost reports, some involve what was termed wildmen of the woods.  These were manlike beings that were spotted by the locals and some turned out to be unexplainable.  Others were just sighting of guys that flipped their lid and ran off into the woods.  Also we talk about earthquakes, yes there have been some earthquakes in the U.P. believe it or not.  Lisa left nothing out, to me it's very interesting to hear these tales.  This week I welcome Lisa Shiel from Jacobsville Michigan.  www.lisashiel.com

HALLOWEEN SPECIAL

Only on this program will you find solid evidence of so called legends and mythical creatures.  Zombies, Vampires, Ghosts, etc.  Don't believe me?  Want evidence?  What could be more proof than a conversation with the real thing?  Don't believe me, listen if you dare.  This week actual interviews with the dead!!! Okay so this week is a bit of fun, although there are 3 true stories that I tell within the framework of this show, and the way I did this show may be a bit creepy for some, proceed with caution.  This show is a little spooky.  Or maybe you won't think it is, good, my goal is not to frighten anyone.  Story number one takes place a few years ago involving a young gal who told me something unbelieveable.  Really, I don't know how anyone could believe her story.  Story number two is something that actually happened to my brother and was really weird.  Story number three involves a good friend from work who crossed the path of some-thing not of this earth.  He also got to know two others who had a similar experience, coincidently one of those people bought a house right next to him.  What are the odds of that? Hopefully next week we have an author who has had some real life ghost experiences and wrote a fictional book about ghosts and hauntings.  Have a happy halloween!!!!