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May 6th, 2017


My friend Art from Florida joins me again talking about the Kinross Incident, UFO investigator Donald Keyhoe, and a more in depth look at Melvin Brown who served at Roswell in 1947. 


Kinross was an event that took place in 1953 over Lake Superior where a fighter jet was scrambled from Kinross A.F.B. to intercept an unknown craft that had appeared to be the Sault Locks and then made it's way out over the lake.  Pilot Eugene Moncla and radar operator Robert Wilson were sent out to investigate, they never returned home.  More than one radar operator reported that the jet seemed to "merge" with this unknown craft.  After the event there seemed to be a military cover up blaming a Canadian transport plane.  The Canadian government said they had no planes in the area.  No wreckage was ever found.


Donald Keyhoe was a former Marine and a non UFO believer until he started investigating UFO sightings.  He went on to become the most repected investigator of his time and he spent time on the Kinross Incident.  Some of you may say, "So what?"  Well, every movement has an origin, and it always takes a pioneer who's ahead or his or her time to lay the groundwork.  So I feel by not remembing Donald Keyhoe and others we may loose sight of the truths they've uncovered.  Often those who choose a path of truth will never see it come to fruition in their lifetime.  Often they will be ridiculed and thought of as "wacked" by the majority of the populous.  So be it, I honor them.


In this show we're going to delve a little further into who Melvin Brown revealing research that Art has dug up on Melvin's military records.  So we continue to explore the mystery within the mystery.


Below is an interview of Donald Keyhoe with Mike Wallace from 1958.  Major Keyhoe is well spoken and knowledgeable.  In his lifetime Mike Wallace was a well respected reporter but it appears to me that Wallace had an agenda he was following.  He kept asking why the Air Force would lie to the American public?  I find it hard to believe that a national and world reporter could be that naive.  We forget that all of our news outlets are businesses that are out to make a profit.  I have never really watched much about Major Keyhoe but now I see a man who truly was trying to step forward with reliable witness testimony and alert the public only to be met with denial and a press that appeared to side with the military and government.  






April 26th, 2017



Seven years ago my guest had a life changing moment, now that could be different for each of us, couldn't it?  Maybe the next time you feel down about what you're going through give a listen to Joshua Brown's story and realize that perhaps nothing is impossible. 


When Josh was 25 years old he got into a major accident, one he probably shouldn't have survived.  It did leave him paralyzed and instead of defeating him it  has inspired him to walk again.  In turn he has inspired many others.  As Josh tells it, "I was looking for something that I felt would push me further."  Be careful of what you ask for.  Josh is a very connected to the planet, he loves being in nature and has spent a lot time gaining knowledge and wisdom about what Gaia has to offer.  One thing that did stand out in this interview was when Josh said, "Nature will provide for you, if you need to heal from something it will literally start growing in your yard."  No one else has said that to me but that makes perfect sense.  We are given what we need, all we have to do is ask. 


On May 15th, which is coincidently 7 years since Josh's accident, there will be a fundraiser in Marquette Michigan for Josh from 6-9pm at the Ore Dock Brewing Company.  Josh hopes to raise $38,000 to attend Project Walk in California, where they've had remarkable results.  Josh will walk again and we can help him and I think he will help many more in return.  Check out Walk The Earth Facebook page and see Josh's story.  You can also support him at the site and video below.




You can also make donations at a Go Fund Me site:



April 14th, 2017


In July it will be 70 years since the "alleged" ufo crash at Roswell New Mexico.  Obviously most of the witnesses have passed on by now, including Major Jesse Marcel who was one of the key witnesses in the recovery.  Do you believe there was a crash?  Do you believe they recovered bodies?  How many men and women at the base were witnesses and were forced to keep quiet? Some have tried to speak up, some did on their death bed.  Roswell is the most well known ufo related mystery.


In the early 1970's in Alpena Michigan, more than 1000 miles from Roswell, another mystery was unfolding.  A young boy named Art was giving a speech about ufo's when he was interupted by the new kid in the class.  In his speach Art was discussing how he felt that ufo's were real but none have ever crashed so he didn't believe there was any evidence.  The new kid, Mike Brown, spoke up and said, "that isn't true, there was a crash and they recovered bodies."  The class broke up in laughter.  Art  was a little upset and apparently had never heard of crashed ufo's.  After class Art confronted Mike as to why he would make such a statement and interupt his speech.  "Because it's true, just ask my dad."  Mike Brown's father apparently had some knowledge on this subject because he was once stationed at a base where they found wreckage and bodies.  At the time of this conversation, Mike never mentioned that it was Roswell New Mexico.   Art had never heard of Roswell, so he thought much of what Mike was saying was all made up.  Mike was a troubled child, something was not right with his home life, somthing was going on that was causing Mike to be stressed.  Art met Mike's family including two Brittish girls who were supposed to be his sisters.  Art met a man and woman who he thought were Mike's parents, although they never spoke to him.  Mike kept telling Art that his father would talk to him about the ufo crash, he never did, he didn't even shake his hand.  It wasn't long before Mike would move away and Art would eventually forget about the strange encounters he had with his new friend. 


In the 1980s Art came across some information on Roswell and started to wonder if that was what Mike was referring to.  In the 1990s, after Melvin Brown passed, his daughters were interviewed in Britain and spoke about their father being a cook in the military and being stationed in Roswell in 1947. The daughters revealed that their father had seen alien bodies and wreckage.  Art wondered if those were the same two women he met back in 1971.  He contacted them and they denied being the same girls he met in Alpena and claimed they never were in the states, they even denied they had a brother named Mike.  In 2015 Art finally tracked down Mike Brown and he denied everything as well. 


After hearing all of the evidence that Art has researched I believe he did meet the son of Melvin Brown, the same man who was a witness at Roswell.  I believe the two Brittish girls were the same ones he met in Alpena.  I can understand how ufo witnesses will clam up because they are often threatened but something else is going on here.  Art may never get the absolute truth but if anything I think he was fortunate to have met someone connected to Roswell, that's why I felt his story needed to be told.  Not so much about the Brown family but to prove that Roswell did exist and if we listen to our press, or government, they will over time tell us that none of this happened.  They have been covering this up for many years and I believe there will come a day when there will be disclosure, perhaps it will be sooner than later.


If you want to find out more about Melvin Brown, watch this video: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=melvin+brown+roswell&view=detail&mid=B1BF5B958A85F464D546B1BF5B958A85F464D546&FORM=VIRE




April 9th, 2017


A native friend once told me, "If you want to go speak to someone who has great wisdom, go talk to a rock, it's been around for thousands of years."  Funny how the native peoples in all lands seemed to understand that.  Is our Earth a living being, with a soul?  For many that may be hard to swallow, but many of us have come to accept this as truth, and yet it's been a truth accepted by many different groups for thousands of years. 

Roslyn McGrath joins me this week and we channel Gaia.  Is the Earth ascending?  What is to become of us?  Does Gaia have a message for us?  What can we do to prepare for coming changes?  Many thanks to my gifted friend Roslyn.  


March 23rd, 2017



I was searching through the internet and found an interesting site dealing with healing past lives and dealing with twin flames.  I found this interesting because many believe in the law of attraction but wonder why it doesn't always work.  And we are always told "It's you that holds it back."  "Yeah, well I'm a positive person."  Well, that doesn't always work.  Perhaps we are  not aware that in a previous time we were conditioned to lack and not abundance and that may be holding us back.  So now I have to worry about my past lives?  I wouldn't say worry, just let go.  So what Inga Nielson does is look back at the akashic records and help you release whatever's holding you back.


How else can this help us?  Many are saying we are all being balanced by "the Shift" and this is needed in order to ascend to the 5th Dimension.  I can't say I'm 100% sure any of this will happen but it does make sense that something is going on with the planet and with all of us, you can just feel the energy changes and if you talk to others you will find they are experiencing similar things.  Some have said we can't ascend until we let go of all of our baggage, not just from this time but from other times.  Again, I don't know if that's needed but what does it hurt to at least look into this?  For years I would often cry when I saw a movie about someone not returning back to their family, why was I so sad?  Well, as I learned, one reason was in my last life I was a Union soldier who died on the battlefield and as I lay there I was so angry for the all of the carnage and sad that I couldn't get back home to see a loved one.  In the last couple years I learned it was my mother.  Now how do I feel?  More at peace.  And where is she?  From what I'm told she's in spirit and I'm at peace with that because we loose sight of of the fact that we live several times with many different beings, often it's soul family, but not always.  So we have to let go of the thought of seeing them or being with them again because in truth we are always with them in spirit.  Unfortunately here on Earth we forget who we are and our purpose for coming here.  And we want to control everything around us and hang onto the people close to us, yet don't we all know that they must go their own way as well?  We think this is a sad thing but from my own experiences that is just our ego wanting to hold on and control things when in universal reality we are all free to go wherever we choose.  And what if you want to see someone again?  You can, as long as they agree to it and since there is nothing but love in the higher realms, do you think they'll deny that? 


In 2011 my guest went on a spiritual quest to the middle east where she met her Twin Flame.  Many are talking now about meeting a Twin Flame and often it is not just about a relationship, really it is a wake up call and an opportunity to become more.  It was a great awakening for Inga.  About a year ago she started delving into past life healing because she knew she was meant to do something more.  And I find that time and again with those I speak with.  And I also find that even though Inga and I have never met our understanding of higher truth is similar, now why is that?  This happens to me time after time.  Are we all tapping into a universal truth?  Coincidence?  Mushrooms? 


Inga Nielsen, MPH, brings in a unique combination of knowledge, metaphysical and practical, as well as deep-seated passion for healing and communion with the Divine. Inga assists people in connecting with their higher selves, spirit guides and high beings. Inga was trained in a variety of healing techniques, including hypnotherapy, inner child work, meridian therapy, breathwork, yogic practices and energy clearing. Inga is a Reiki master, a professional intuitive and a certified hypnotist. She is here to assist people in raising their vibration and living from their soul, as facilitators of their own ascension.


And one more thing about my guest that I didn't know during this interview, she feels a sacred connection to the Divine Feminine.  She plans on going to France this year to connect with Mary Magdalene which is exactly what my friends Joy, Roslyn and others did last year.  And why is that?  Why are people feeling driven to go to certain places and do certain things?  Perhaps that is another show.




March 17th, 2017



Dr. Alison J. Kay joins me discussing her new book.  Dr. Kay hails from Florida and spent many years learning subtle energy medicine in the far east.  Every teacher and healer has a slightly different way of presenting and I'll be honest, I really liked Alison's energy.  Dr. Kay goes into detail about our chakra system, where disease comes from, the Aquarian age, energy influxes and how to stay grounded, the purpose of pyramids, 528 hertz, the ego mind, and much more.  Interesting?  I thought what Alison had to say was very interesting and she appears to know what she's talking about.



March 3rd, 2017


I've often heard the term "Christ Consciousness."  What does it mean?  Is it in reference to Jesus?  Some say he's the son of God, others say he is a divine Master who came to wake us up.  Some believe that he never performed miracles.  How can there be so many different understandings?  This show is not about creating division, believe as you wish and I will do the same.  This show is about seeking alternative truths, and maybe it's just somethng that rings true to me, I feel it is just something I know.  Disclaimer:  I could be wrong! 


This is a rebroadcast of a show I did with Roslyn McGrath where we channeled the Christ Consciousness.  I believe we originally did this interview in 2011 before the big shift and as I listened to it I realize how accurate it is and applies to what is happening today.  Thanks to Roslyn and her gifts.


February 23rd, 2017


Just this week I had a big "aha" moment with someone from my past.  It was a person who I did not like, he was somewhat of a bully towards me and many others way back when I was in elemenatary school all the way up through high school.  Was he treating me this way by design, was it part of our agreement before we came here?  Or, did I draw it in with my fears? 


Some of us think we're such enlightened souls and yet there are things burried so deep that we've forgotten and they need to be healed and let go.  I always say love is the answer, well honestly there wasn't a lot of love between me and this former classmate.  Most of us have tormenters in our life, don't we?  A recent poll said 71% of kids today believe they've been bullied in some way, mainly a lot of it is cyber bullying.  It's always easier to give someone grief if you don't have to see their face, isn't it?  This show really isn't about bullying but more about making peace and letting go.  This is a personal story I'm not real eager to share but so be it.  Maybe it will help someone else. 


February 8th, 2017


A couple months ago I was contacted by 2 women who wanted to come on my show and talk about Flower Essences and Liquid Smudge.   They asked me if I'd like to try both products and talk about the results.  First I had a consultation that asked me a series of questions, basically it allowed me to define what I wanted to achieve.  Then after it was formulated it was sent to me along with the Liquid Smudge.   I thought it might be fun to try the smudge out at the radio station and a few people agreed and I almost immediately saw a shift in my co-workers attitudes, all became more positive.  I really feel that the Flower Essences have made a difference as well.


Many people know and love flowers, but miss one of their most important gifts: their essence.  Nancy Boyd (founder of Bright Wings, Inc.) says that flower essences are "consciousness in a bottle" and, with one of her apprentices, Kristen Tedeschi, shares how they work, how they can help people get through tough times like these in better shape, and how connecting with the natural world is the way we thrive.

Find out more about all their products and services for people who are up to something good, on the website: http://www.brightwings.com.  Nancy is making a special offer just for listeners of Out There, for some of the products they mention during the show. (You will be asked for your name and email address so they know where to send it; they promise to respect your privacy.) Check it out here:



 For more about Liquid Smudge go to: www.liquidsmudge.com 



Ascention, what does it mean?

February 3rd, 2017


This is a topic I've really been focused on recently.  Like many, I'm sensing it's time to get focused.  Are you feeling some kind of urgency to do something? 


I love the idea of ascention, of being able to take our bodies with us and going wherever we desire.  Is that what Gaia is doing now?  Are we expereincing that as well?  When will all of this come forward? 


Why is there so much turmoil right now?  Many are so angry and are choosing sides.  Are we being played?  Have we forgotten our purpose for being here. 


This show is taken from many different sources, Ramtha, Masters Of The Far East, Golden Age Of Gaia, Metatron and more.  There are so many sources out there that it can be confusing, I've taken from many to see if this makes some sense.  Listen with your own discernment and feel free to contact me with your thoughts.


This is an interesting website:



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